On this episode of Good Word with Goodwill, Vince and Jared Greenberg preview Monday’s huge Game 5 between the Oklahoma City Thunder and Indiana Pacers. Next, Vince and Jared react to Desmond Bane being traded to the Orlando Magic and discuss if Orlando gave up too many assets in the trade.

A point forward has emerged in these 2025 Finals: OKC’s Jalen Williams. We’re not comparing him or teammate Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to the Bulls’ Hall of Fame tandem, but the effect of having Williams start OKC’s offense has freed up Gilgeous-Alexander (in the past two games especially) from constantly taking Indiana’s first defensive punch.

Jerry West and Elgin Baylor did it often. Kyrie Irving and LeBron James did it a couple of times. Magic Johnson and Jamaal Wilkes were among those who did it once.